and other issues and unfortunately he he might do it again and you know like i said there's still a chance for democrats you know the the funding basically got extended so we're going to keep pushing on democrats who do the right thing i understand they're worried about their elections but when it comes to use enough for their elections i mean they're they're they're you know they they use are stories they use the dreamers to be able to get latinos in this tricks where they they want to win with the latino community or in community but when it comes down to this it's unfortunately that they don't come through so we're going to keep pushing them to the right then through the spending bill because it is the easiest and not the easiest but is the best way to get a clean dream act as we as we are pushing for it president trump says that he wants a permanent fix the dr you believe that. you know it's why would anyone really hard. if yeah i mean he said that that was the reason he ended it but it's hard to say because president trump seems sometimes like he's sympathetic to

the dreamers when he talks about the new no doc a and and the dream act but people around him you know what steve miller is one of those those people in the white house who has been pushing against this and it's you know it's like he's bipolar trump comes one day and says that he he wants a bill of love and then a couple of hours later he uses twitter to say that he now wants a wall and that he's not gonna allow for us to have our our fix without the wall that's that's not love fascists using us senator schumer announces he's taking back the office remade to trump the sun the border wall what if we put it this way why not give them the wall ok give them the wall so it's not a big ok because some money but we'll have a path to citizenship for you and other people dr given the wall what's wrong with that. well you know it's it's really it's first learn to read to hear schumer say that now because it's a no again going back to schumer he basically found

a way out of the shutdown and the way our wasn't actually getting something that could have had no wall by using his leverage and unfortunately he caved in and i don't think he believes mcconnell i think that he found a way out and say you know what at some point republicans are not going to meet their or their promise that we can blame them in the election center you know it's going back to the politics is going back to them you know using us as a ball a political football rather goes back and forth. and so you know right now him saying that he he's now now one of the and two to to give the wall to them for means it's a little too late we had a chance and hopefully he can prove that again in this coming you know c.r. or funding bill vote and that he just gets it done now he has the leverage he can do it aragon hope we call on you again i hope everything turns out well for you

both thank you so much and the you for having me legs tens of time with our panel lani chen joins me from stanford he's a research fellow at stanford's hoover institution he served in the george w. bush administration was also an adviser to the presidential campaigns of marco rubio and mitt romney and in washington democratic strategist julian epstein he said his chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee and is a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee he's. gentleman thank you for being with us what's your takeaway from the government shutdown lanny what do you what do you see the result. well you know larry we're stuck in this really unfortunate cycle of lurching from continuing resolution to continuing resolution without any real long term. solution insight i think unfortunately in this particular situation a little bit

a pox on both their houses type feeling i think for many americans for the democrats i think the challenge was it's not entirely clear what they got out of the two days of the shutdown they got some assurances maybe that they'll be discussion on immigration but at the end of the day it seems to me that this was a much ado about nothing julian yeah i think he has it pretty much right and i think he was charitable towards the democrats i think if you look back at the government shutdown and into that in one thousand nine hundred five and two thousand and twelve thirteen. the republicans lost those battles because they were in charge of the congress and generally what we've seen with government shutdowns is the party was controlling congress gets the blame and i think chuck schumer the senate majority leader and went into this fight not knowing what cards he had and as it got into the weekend a lot of red state democrats the ten red state democrats democrats who won in states that trump also won started to kind of go south on him and so he was left. a

little bit with an army not having an army behind him and so i think he got an out in front of his members i think he he didn't negotiated very well and i think you know i hate to say it but i think the republicans and i think the white house won this one that said this is a temporary this is a three month visit three week delay until the next showdown i think both parties look bad here i agree with lani on that i think it is kind of a pox on both houses let alone the. years. donald trump said to me there's not a candidate then if there's a government shutdown the president has to be to blame season judge. and then the thing to do the blame with this one. well look i think all leaders share some responsibility to a certain degree i mean in this particular situation what it came down to was you know i do think that the democrats shut this government down in part because they want to have a discussion about immigration is

a perfectly reasonable thing perhaps from their perspective but to to say that just because you were involved in the ultimate event that shut the government down doesn't mean that you don't bear some responsibility so overall i think certainly all parties in this situation have to bear responsibility and look the president could always come back and say we want to figure out some way to have a longer term solution here and that's what we want to work on so there are always ways out of this silly cycle that we're in now and it's really just a cycle of blaming and shaming and it's unfortunate because a lot of people end up living their lives somewhat precariously because we can't resolve our situations more permanently julian something puzzling every polls is eighty five to ninety percent of americans favor the dream is the doc is to have a path to citizenship why is this. young and somewhere along the lines of some between two thirds and three quarters of republicans favor it as

well but i think i think democrats have the upper hand on this argument and i think it has been the white house that has wanted to hold this up to leverage and to get other things like the wall. that nobody i don't even think congressional republicans particularly care about immigration experts don't really think the wall is going to do that much for border security there are many other things that we could be doing that would be giving us greater border security there's many other immigration reforms that i think conservatives are interested in employer verification for example that would be much more effective in stemming the tide of illegal immigration i think trump is just how much as he usually is on these these kind of avatars and these symbols of things he campaigned on. regardless of whether or not they really make a difference in the everyday lives of americans this is just a symbolic fight for him and he wants to leverage the docket issue the dreamer issue so that he can get this kind of skull on the fence now loni schumer says that

wall is off the table what do you make of that. well it was on the table a few days ago now it's off the table look i mean this is a this is a really difficult negotiation for chuck schumer if he's going to say on the one hand that he's willing to go out there and offer the wall and now says it's off he's got a similar problem to the republican negotiators in the sense that you know both sides seem to be speaking out of both sides of their mouth a little bit here but but chuck schumer needs to figure out what his ultimate position is because on the one hand he's probably got a progressive base of folks whether it's campbell harris alyssa both warren the senators from california and massachusetts respectively or others who are saying under no circumstances should he be out there talking about the wall and then there are some red state democrats to julien's point from earlier probably say look we don't necessarily like the idea of a wall but we like the idea of being able to talk a little tougher on immigration because they might be in tough electoral races so chuck schumer needs to figure out what his negotiating posture and position is

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epstein who served as chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee julian where they make of republican lawmakers another trump supporters of stepping up attacks on the f.b.i. questioning their credibility and objectivity and suggesting there is a conspiracy in the eye to oust the president. what do you think of that you know i think it's a campaign of deflection and mr action i mean i think that the republicans tried to do this on the steel dossier the famous dossier that the backgrounding on trump during the election and then it was discovered that it was a marco rubio a republican an issue investigation by this private organization and they tried to refer steele for a criminal prosecution the democrats put out the testimony of. fusion g.p.s.

and that kind of dissipated quickly there is now this new question about whether f.b.i. agents were sending each other to f.b.i. agents that were involved in the investigation were and also having an affair were sending each other texts that were very disparaging about the president and therefore they were somehow biased and the and the investigation was biased i just don't think that dog's going to hunt i don't think it's going to go very far i think that. muller removed these two individuals from office so i think if anything it enhances his credibility and i don't all for investigating and finding out if there were any people that were biased i mean everybody in the f.b.i. has a political view of one form or another you don't have to check your views necessarily just so long as you do your job as an investigator effectively but i don't think that's going to distract from the bigger issue here we know the russians interfere in the election we know that trump campaign members whether it was papadopoulos whether it was donald trump jr. flynn we know others had lots of meetings with the

russians we know there were multiple lies and kind of cover ups about those meetings for example the cover up about the trump tower meeting where the president actually dictated a false cover. you know in those i think that's going to continue to be the central focus and you know one thing i think that muller's looking at is this efforts of obstruction the firing of komi. in particular and i think that's where the investigation is heading and i think all of these other efforts to mr recht from the central issue are really not going to work at the end of the day money as a republican does all of this concern you with what's going on. well you know the challenge when there are stories or allegations for example regarding the two f.b.i. agents peter struck was one of them who were expressing points of view about donald .